passive income^inactive management(property

Completely passive income is too strict a requirement and realistic only for the wealthy. A minimal amount of /legwork/ is usually unavoidable and acceptable to the retail investors:

  • cross-border fund transfer
  • tax filing
  • currency conversion
  • monitor a stock position in order to receive dividends.
  • /keeping tabs/ of passive income accounting

Now, one level above these effort, some inactive management effort may be required, but some laid-back investors will refuse to put in such simple efforts like:

  • maintaining the relationship with the local agent. Is she reliable and diligent?
  • property maintenance
  • monitor market trends, make long term, gradual adjustments to fend off competition and stay relevant. Gradual adjustment is less stressful.
  • Avichal suggested another form of inactive management —

Form a partnership with a trusted local agent and run it like a business. Perhaps like airbnb. He feels such a business could grow.

Perhaps you could find gainful employment to keep yourself engaged and helpful to your customers and other people. Better than passively collecting rent.

attractive growth assets always selling hot@@ #mind-share

See also owning property^simple REIT

I often hear people say “if as you said this investment scores high on so many aspects and without serious low scores, then price must be high“. Basically they don’t believe there are bargains. But there are bargains!

One of the (possibly biggest) underlying factors is the combination of “unfamiliar uncertainty + mind share”, which is a form of financial risk. Uncertainty by itself is common — credit risk and market risk are all uncertainties but better understood.

Indeed, if all attractive assets are well known to all investors, then yes they would be expensive. In reality, there’s highly uneven distribution of information, so some good assets get very low mind-share. The lesser known assets and locations are seen as less reliable, less understood, less researched, less predictable and significantly more risky.

For an example of well understood, front page, uncertainty (rather than unfamiliar uncertainty), consider USD before rate hike. Is the prospect of rate hike fully priced into USD? I doubt it. You say “if people are so sure about the rate hike, then USD must be expensive already”. On the day of rate hike, USD still shoots up. Before the rate hike, there was significant uncertainty about the rate hike, depressing the price. This uncertainty is Not unfamiliar.

Now let’s look at unfamiliar uncertainties.

A simple example is Jill Lim’s real estate products with guaranteed returns + principal protection. Credit risk is the only risk. The debtor is unfamiliar, so pricing isn’t expensive in terms of guaranteed return. (Some investors would still say pricing is too high. They ignore that a bank product would give 2% p.a. guaranteed return over 2Y, rather than 12%.)

Now Consider a property in a remote part of Cambodia. We know the country is politically stable and on an upward trajectory, not yet taking off. A lot of upward potential in valuation. But this good part is not priced in. The uncertainty is very high — we have no confidence about the promised take-off, esp. in this remote location.

Now consider downtown Phnom Penh. You see the development under way — Less uncertainty, but still the number of people who can see the positive signs is a fraction compared to that of Singapore. This location is not seen as a safe bet compared to other countries. Therefore demand is significantly lower.

Now consider the Phnom Penh shop unit with rental guarantee — Less uncertainty, but many people still question the reliability of the guarantee, due to unfamiliarity of the developer. Also, there’s very high uncertainty if this location can reach 25% of Beijing’s valuation. Once again, attractive, but price depressed by unfamiliarity and uncertainty and very poor mind-share.

Now consider the Philippines esp. BGC — 20 years more developed than Phnom Penh, similar to Singapore CBD — lower uncertainty. Developer is a more familiar name. BGC condos are attractive to many, so bid mind-share. Some people say the price is already inflated, but still the uncertainty and unfamiliarity are both high. Investors who see the positive signs are willing but most casual observers aren’t — mind-share issue.

Now what if the asset is denominated in USD? One uncertainty removed, but essentially the same situation.

If a property/asset is familiar to many, and likely to appreciate, then i agree the price will be very high — consider  HK, Shanghai, Ldn. The determined skeptic would still find uncertainties in these locations. Nothing is 100% sure to appreciate. A 90%-sure-thing would be pushed very high until there’s very little upward potential.

Illustration — Consider a fictitious stock with consistent dividend history + growth potential. The price would be high. See my post about dividend and growth potential

Illustration — unfamiliarity and uncertainty keeps the demand lower in emerging property markets. Very few investors bother to research on these locations. Most property investors prefer the familiar market in home country. Familiarity is one of the biggest driving forces behind property demand. As a result, Singapore, HK, Shanghai, Beijing… have too many affluent investors drawn to properties. They know the local market so well they bid up the prices beyond global cities like London, New York, Sydney, Toronto.

hypothesis@prime-location valuation:the more Chinese-like, the more bubble-like

(Yinghui’s Shanghai home is about 65 sqm total. Private area? presumably around 50 sqm.)

When I say”bubble-like” I refer to the extent to which property prices rise above wage, rent and CPI levels. For example, Beijing is “way too high” by this definition.

However, such a “bubble” may keep growing without burst because of the big paradox — that many global city property valuations defy gravity and seem detached from economic reality.

Those wait-and-see investors often regret as the unit they didn’t take up double in valuation again and again. Reality trumps reasoning. When you find yourself in such a reality, you adjust your reasoning and accept that Shanghai downtown psf price is indeed higher than NY and feels like a mansion.

In such a market, rental yield isn’t important so shops may not be so special.

I also blogged about rental yield of China cities vs Singapore HDB.

But today I want to zoom into the Chinese factor — Chinese investor everywhere tend to go overweight on properties relative to other assets.

  • eg: California — My UChicago classmate (Jon Chao) told me that in California many Chinese families own multiple properties.
  • eg: BGC — big buyers come from Singapore and Hongkong
  • eg: Sydney
  • eg: Vancouver

My hypothesis — the bigger a herd of Chinese investors in a city, the higher this herd instinct, the higher bubble tendency we will see.

Note Singapore HDB is subject to severe restriction, so lower bubble tendency.

mansion^commercial rEstate demand]leading cities #defy`gravity

Q1: how do we tell if a psf residential price in a leading city is bubble and overpriced? There are many criteria within supply/demand framework, including wage level, rental yield, CPI, hot money from Chinese investors, land + construction cost, psf comparison with other leading cities…

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/11/global-house-prices has a nice evolution-graph comparing various countries.

Today I will focus on rental yield. See also my blog post on rental yield of Singapore vs China. Now compare vacancy rate of

  1. shop units in malls
  2. office units in office towers
  3. soho units
  4. hotels
  5. mansions

Mansions

are only for the wealthy investors. I feel it’s more like art collectible or race horses. Discretionary investment. They don’t need to rent out. Without the rental as link, the supply-demand situation is somewhat decoupled from the economy.

Private condo

are somewhat similar to mansions. Demand is often driven by wealthy investors and therefore decoupled from the economy. As a result, in leading cities psm can keep rising irrespective of wage level.

This often feel like Ponzi scheme, if the underlying value[1] remains unchanged while the market price grows exponentially.

[1] as measured by rental and construction cost

Shop/hotel/office units

are built and  purchased for rental. It’s a factor of production. Shops esp. Occupancy is usually excellent in shopping malls. However, vacancy can be very bad for a “sub-prime” location like ground floor shop units in a remote warehouse. Hotels and offices can also stay vacant for a long time.

I guess offices are usually leased for a large area. Very few tenants for tiny offices. Tiny shops are slightly better.

housing supply/demand:non-interchangeable,mindshare

Suppose there were two identical properties A and B, 500m (4-6 min walk) apart, the buyer demand could be very different.

For example, some buyers may not mind the ethnic make-up at A vs B, but they do mind the distance to public transport, Chinese supermarket etc, so they filter out B. Other buyers may not mind the dirtier street and rundown buildings at A vs B.

This illustrates that individual properties are highly differentiated. Almost every unit is unique and not interchangeable. Some units (like XX) are popular and highly “visible” and enjoy 100 times higher mindshare and 20 times more bids than another arguably “comparable” unit YY. If you can accept both units, then YY could have very few or no competing bids. Therefore it is realistic to find a bargain.

For an analogy, consider antique and artwork.

property investment – knowing mktVal but unable2sell@that

有价无市 We had better remain conscious of this disadvantage of property investment.

With stocks and bonds, if we know the market price of an asset is $832, we can easily sell our asset at that price. In contrast, with a house it can take a long time to find a buyer. The price we get can be much lower than the price reported on some website.

I guess our friends and relatives are probably facing similar issues — Someone else sold a similar home at $X, but they may not get a real buyer at that price.

When we sold our Blk 177 home, we definitely could not assume some estimated market price was the amount we will receive.

I think a key factor is the number of eligible buyers. Shanghai property has the most buyers IMO. Singapore is possibly much smaller market. If that’s the case, then selling would be harder.

##taxes – property investments #eg: BGC

https://bgcmegaworld.com/for-foreign-investors/ has many details.

— Tax: annual Property tax
Conclusion: Pay
* In Singapore this is a proxy of rental income tax. Below $100 on my Blk 155 home.
* BGC – I believe this applies, 1% a year. Chun Tih said Just Pay.
* Phnom Penh — Bridge management covers it, if any
* NJ super high.

— Tax: rental income tax
Conclusion: Evade
BGC – does apply, but I don’t know how they assess my income net of expenses. The Expo salespeople said many owners under-declare. You can also say the tenant is a friend or relative.

Phnom Penh — Bridge management covers it.

— Tax: capital gain tax
Conclusion: pay
http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Asia/Philippines/Taxes-and-Costs says 6% of sale price. Confirmed at the Expo. There’s some 1.5% tax, so adding up to 7.5%.

This is a transaction cost similar to credit card surcharge, or brokerage commission, or forex handling fee, or wire transfer commission. The seller (not buyer) is supposed to pay it (say $7777), but can transfer it to buyer by adding that amount to the price tag.

Now I feel from owner #N to owner #N+1, this 6% is like a constant factor of 1.06 that’s always added on top of declared price. #N receives $1M (declared) or 0.94M (actual), and #N+1 receives 2M (declared) or 1.88M (actual). In this way it’s similar to seller-borne stamp duty or commission. If government stamp duty is 6%, then your property must appreciate more than 6% to cover this cost.

There’s an obscure feature in the Megaworld contract. The land title is not transferred from Megaworld to me so early, so government doesn’t know me as owner yet. When I sell to Mr KK, I avoid the 6% sales tax. When KK sells to Mdm HH, KK avoids 6% again, but pays PHP 50k to Megaworld, provided land title has not registered with government.

— Tax: GST or VAT (value-added tax) when selling
Conclusion: inapplicable
Singapore — only the commission attracts GST.
PH — supposed to be 12%, but looks like only corporations pay it — inapplicable to me.


http://www.foreclosurephilippines.com/value-added-tax-vat-on-the-sale-of-real-estate/
http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Asia/Philippines/Buying-Guide

sReit according to Qi.Li’s husband

Many claim that sReits feel like stocks, but it’s very misleading. There are penny stocks; there are hot growth stocks; there are speculative stocks; there are dividend cash cows; there are blue-chip (but low dividend) stocks.

I guess some of the sReits are like low-growth dividend stocks.

— Sam outlined 3 main types of REITs in Singapore

  • Commercial – highest risk, highest return — around 7-8%
  • Shopping malls
  • Office building

Usually 5%+ return, definitely higher than bank deposit.

In a typical sREIT listed on the stock market, the quoted price may not change a lot, but share holders get dividends quarterly, semi-annually etc.

Recommended amount — S$5k

 

300%ROI properties – really? where?

There are 2 main contributions to this ROI — net rental yield (NRY) and (AA) asset appreciation.

Q: Pick an arbitrary target AA like $1 -> $4. How likely? What could derail this ROI?
A: My Short answer: possible in some developing countries but plenty of uncertainties.

I feel NRY is less glamorous but more stable, predictable and reliable.  I feel as investors we had better focus more on rental income vs TCO including mortgage, tax, maintenance, commissions.

In my view, AA will take care of itself and almost beyond our control, just like stock prices. Many factors can derail AA, so I don’t want to micro-manage. As a long-term and casual investor, I’m too busy and lazy to monitor it.

Location? I hear about high AA in top China cities. I feel such price inflations are often driven by Chinese investors. I feel Singapore, Beijing … PSM prices are already very high by multiple criteria[1] and less likely to x4 in my life time

[1] by comparison with world cities; by living standard; by national income level. Also by rental yield — See https://tanbinvest.dreamhosters.com/2016/09/11/rent-yield-cnsg/

Usually property prices rise steadily most of the years but in rare years shoot up or collapse with or without a recovery. These jumps are critical but hard to predict.

Across countries, in most “normal” economies, property tend to appreciate. Therefore the exceptions are worth investigation.

Many (esp. the Chinese) feel AA outweighs NRY, but annualized growth rate of AA could be 10 ppa. NRY could be 10+ ppa.

Liquidity is the biggest advantage of NRY over AA. This makes NRY a more relevant factor than AA for retirement and pre-retirement (like age 45).

Patience — AA can require a long wait. NRY requires no impatience.

Q: is it important to set a target sell price in case the market overheats?
A: It can be important. However, If NRY is good, then the longer we hold it the better.