GreatSchool rating methodology: my view #schools+SDXQ

Hi Jack,

I finally took a glance at https://www.greatschools.org/gk/ratings/

  • · The rating number is completely based on standardized benchmark tests, just as I suspected.
    • o Doesn’t include funding per student. I think this can vary widely and can become important
    • o Doesn’t include teacher/student ratio
    • o Doesn’t include student achievements in non-academic domains
    • o Doesn’t include how many extracurricular programs
    • o Doesn’t include number of complaints (like bloody fights) or safety incidents
    • o Doesn’t include how many hours students spend in academic vs non-academic learning
    • o Doesn’t include how much effort the school makes to bring up those lagging behind
    • o Doesn’t include how old or rundown the buildings are
    • o Doesn’t include the quality and quantity of school facilities like computers, sports, audio/video, labs …
  • · For schools below high-school level, the rating focuses on exactly 2 aspects in 50/50 weight namely 1) current test scores and 2) improvement in test scores of a given batch of students, as they learn new stuff.
  • · There’s no comparison between 2 states (as both tests are not identical). The rating algorithm focuses on data within a single state exclusively. So a 8/10 school in one state may have lower absolute academic performance than a 6/10 school in another school. I would guess the states with lots of East Asians and Indians will have a higher bar.

My wish — there should not be only one rating, but 10 sub-ratings, but of course data isn’t available and many important aspects of “conducive learning environment” is not quantifiable — fundamentally difficult to derive a numeric rating.

Many parents make big decisions based on the GreatSchool rating numbers. These numbers are probably the best way to compare two schools within a state, but it’s very, very limited comparison.

Would you compare 2 students based on nothing but their total exam score across 3 subjects? That’s done in most countries I know including the systems in my and my children’s countries. In contrast, U.S. colleges (and some competitive-admission high schools) in general would look at the score as part of the yardsticks.

It’s incorrect, narrow-minded, naïve to conclude that my son as a whole is rated 8/10 and my neighbor’s daughter at the same age is rated 7/10 simply based on “total score”. This total score number only measures academic not the overall “quality” of the person.

I would like to refuse to regard the GreatSchool rating as a broad, all-compassing measurement of a school’s effectiveness as a place to nurture, motivate, coach, and prepare the young mind. I hope to have the backbone to withstand the conventional wisdom that anything 7/10 or lower is a bad school.

https://www.schooldigger.com/aboutrankingmethodology.aspx shows that School digger “ranking” is 100% based on standardized test scores, and even less comprehensive than GreatSchools rating.

https://1330152open.wordpress.com/2017/07/19/conducive-learning-environment-engage-him/ describes what a good school means to me, as a parent.

loc choice:##what benefits各族parents pay4 #SDXQ++

The Chinese/Indian/EasternEuropean immigrants I have asked (my peer group) invariably pay for school district. If they have a budget of 500k, they would go for the best school district that money can buy.

How about the locals and the immigrants from Latin America, middle east, or western Europe? If they have a budget of $500k, they also have an idea what’s important to them and worth paying for.

Mind you, $500k (or $800k for some) is a big sum and heavy commitment, so we are naturally careful about exactly what we are paying for.

In my discussion with JackHe, I felt these second group (the majority) want to pay for quality of life:

  • bigger home — in a top school district, 500k would probably get a small condo
  • more independence — such as detached house
  • bigger land
  • shorter commute?
  • closer to grandparents and relatives?
  • privacy, like high up in the mountains
  • more restaurants, galleries in the neighborhood?

School district is still one of the most important factors for parents, but I guess many parents don’t care so much about 5/10 vs 8/10 at the primary school level.

Last but not least, they want to have more money left over for other nice things like

  • vacations (each can cost a few months of salary)
  • home improvement, better furniture

 

Sugg: rent]学区until we want2sacrifice CC+RD

See https://tanbinvest.dreamhosters.com/2017/05/13/school-district-tips/

Good school districts are affluent. I don’t want to bend over backward to compete there. Perhaps my peers could afford it years ago. Looking at the price level, I simply can’t afford.

Lucky rent is a real option in the U.S. system.

If my kids are suitable for these schools then I could consider buying a home there.

If my kids are not suitable (for whatever reason) then sacrificing CC, RD etc is a silly sacrifice.