[19]spent250k@branded uni but your kid outshone by colleagues

Q: suppose over four years you spent USD 250k on a top college for your son but a year after graduating, he is doing fine in a bank or a tech shop, but not a top performer among a cohort of fresh grads across comparable employers. Would you regret spending the 250k?

You get to know , let’s suppose, that some of the kids in the same batch graduated from lesser-known (U.S. top 100 or Asia) colleges but very “hungry” and no less talented technically or inter-personally than your son.

You get to know that these kids are luckier with their bosses and their projects.

You probably accept that “luck” is fairly random and doesn’t favor the top college grads.

You probably accept a graduate’s motivation is not correlated with the school fees spent.

You probably accept many talented students go to less-known colleges, possibly due to scholarships, or closer to home, or the national rating of their chosen major — a lesser known college may be highly rated in some niche domain.

You may argue that those other kids must be cream of the crop in those lesser-known colleges. Well, we don’t know. Academically, they could be the top 10% in their college, or merely top 30%, but they sure did well in job interviews. So it’s actually not that hard for a second-tier college grad to get into this same firm or a competitor firm.

You may argue that as a parent you did the best for your son including the 250k funding, so no regrets. Well, the parent (who happens to be your schoolmate) of one of those kids also did her best saving 250k for something worthwhile, like a property investment, or starting a business, or taking a lower-paying job to spend more time with her daughter. So you can’t say your schoolmate didn’t provide the best for her daughter.

You may argue that given whatever wealth in your family, the best wealth preservation is education, the best education there is in the market. If we look at (imprecisely defined) quality of education, I don’t think the branded colleges offer a quality well above the rest. Right now, your son is at essentially the same level with those other grads without a prestigious degree, and you may be able to project 5 years out. Is there any wealth preserved in this top-college education, beside a badge of honor like “I went to Harvard”?

So was it really rational to have committed 250k some 5 yeas ago when a few reputable 2nd-tier colleges promised to offer more affordable quality education? I assume you are not someone who doesn’t need to care about a 250k small amount.

I have met many fresh or recent grads while working in Goldman, Citigroup, Merrill (U.S. and Singapore), Barclays, Macquarie, NYSE, Morgan, … Some graduated from top colleges. I also studied among some 50 young classmates in my UChicago graduate program. I can see the overall individual competence level is  uncorrelated with the colleges’ prestige. The most talented young guys are often Indians, from unknown colleges. So I’m 100% convinced that top colleges don’t have any monopoly on talent.

In my profession (and possibly many professions) , a new grad’s success depends on motivation, talent and opportunity, among other things. None of these three factors has any correlation with the prestige of the college. It’s not a shame your son doesn’t really outshine those grads of second/third tier colleges. It’s fair competition on a level play ground. Every grad gets an equal chance to compete on their talents and drive.

[19]branded uni 一流大学一年 6-8万 美元

==21 Dec 2018, 07:27==

查了一下最著名的 20 所美国私立大学, 清一色都是一年 5万 – 6万。 加州伯克利 (U.C. Berkeley)州立大学是公立大学最著名的,也要一年四万。

我问了好几个美国同事(非华人),学费差别是一个不可忽视的考量。他们会一家人权衡是否选附近州立大学,作为本州居民可以享受学费优惠。 他们也讨论知根知底有品质的二流大学,因为比较容易获得奖学金。(一流私立大学极少发奖学金给本科生。)

四年省下 10 万 (甚至15万)美元, 对这些白领中产阶级家庭也是有意义的。

说到这里我就意识到, 富裕家庭,不必在乎多花十几万美元,送孩子去最有声望的名校。(据我的美国同事所说,美国大学知名度完全取决于科研成果。我觉得这是几个因素当中最重要的。)

华人同事呢, 好像都提前几年为每个孩子存下 25 万美元准备进名校。我没这个计划。我的家庭收入应该是比不上大多数美国白领华人家庭的。我会认真考虑送女儿来新加坡上大学, 学费低多了。

更重要的原因 (我亲身体会)– 名校与否,只影响毕业后第一次找工作。一旦成功进入某公司,A 校 B 校 两个毕业生谁强谁弱有目共睹,自己也心知肚明 — 名校与否毫无影响。美国的顶尖公司,我觉得基本上是不看出身的。许多毕业生靠面试能力,或私人关系,进入某个顶尖公司,而没有付 25 万美元的名校学费,或许更划算。

富裕家庭不在乎这点钱。我周围的华人家长,似乎都是大气凛然地置之度外。但是我对追捧名牌一直抱怀疑态度。

四年名校教育并非“点石成金”,只可以镀金一层。我一直相信,一个优秀的学生(我算一个,我的小舅子莹辉也算一个),放在哪个有品质的大学都能成材,并不会因为学校不出名而受多大影响。送孩子去个高质量而不闻名于世的大学 (比如美国前 200 名大学,或新加坡的几所大学)并不会耽误孩子前程。父母不必自责。

澳洲,新西兰,加拿大都没有闻名于世的大学可以比肩美国 20 强 (多伦多大学,悉尼大学或许可以)但每年都为本国培养了众多人才,教学质量有目共睹, 学费较低,都是可以考虑的。(英国学费太高。)

==Fri, 21 Dec 2018, 21:08==

谢谢爷爷回复。我非常在乎你的见解, 经常告诉我的同事、朋友们“我老爸也这么认为”,把你的观点当作靠山。

好像很少华人家长有你这种洞察力。 或许他们有洞察力但还是随大溜。或许他们不缺这 50 万美元 (两个孩子的名校学费)。

##[18]biggest questionable spend: now or upcoming

I feel these spends are subtly and effectively encouraged by the /consumer society/ and the marketing powers of brand owners. The pressure is irresistible — Your peers.

  1. — ranked by amount
  2. edu: {USD 50k/year} private college in the U.S.? Looking at myself and within my circle, I feel this is not worthwhile investment. Based on my chat with Kyle (see blog posts), prestigious/branded colleges are just like medical school and branded car — designed for the rich
    • Contrast the enrichment programs my son gets. Much cheaper. Non-academic.
  3. edu: {USD 30k/year} private high school
  4. edu: MSFM roughly S$70k
  5. edu: private pre-school like Mindchamps. Unworthy
  6. flights strictly for family reunion — costs air ticket and unpaid leaves , but is the most rewarding “luxury” money can buy.
  7. {5k/year} overseas sightseeing trips. I seriously doubt the advertised benefits on the kids. Look at LianZhong’s family
  8. unpaid leave to attend interviews, partly to reduce the total cost (and stress) of next job search
  9. edu: kids’ enrichment
  10. car depreciation — If I seldom use it, then perhaps lease
  11. various renovations
  12. —-outside top 10:
  13. {1k/year} electronics? They get outdated soon and require servicing. The ERE author suggested keep using an old model
  14. restaurants? $100/month